I have one pad that is very old-school, much more so than the 2.5 years I've owned it. That's what I ended up with when I let DH shop with me one time. It's good stuff for some layouts though. This one is my very outdoorsy BIL and SIl, who live in Colorado Springs. It works for some challenges, but sharing mainly because of a GS thread requesting to see more two-pagers.